Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend

Lisa Townsend hails ‘back to basics’ police approach as she wins second term as Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey

LISA TOWNSEND vowed to continue supporting a “back to basics” approach to policing in Surrey after she was re-elected earlier today as the county’s Police and Crime Commissioner.

The Conservative candidate received 95,538 votes from the Surrey public in Thursday’s PCC election.

The result was announced in Redhill this afternoon after votes from across the county were counted. Turnout was 29.9 per cent, compared to 38.8 per cent in the last Police and Crime Commissioner election in 2021.

Lisa, who has served as Commissioner for more than three years since winning that election, vowed to continue supporting Surrey Police’s renewed focus on issues that matter most to residents, such as tackling anti-social behaviour, shoplifting, and targeting persistent offenders.  

She said the Force now has more officers than ever before, and under the leadership of new Chief Constable Tim De Meyer, they are concentrating on combatting those crimes that matter most to the Surrey public.  

Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend

Lisa said she wanted to use her second term to build on recent improvements in Surrey Police and continue being a voice for the county’s residents. 

The current Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner, Ellie Vesey-Thompson, will also be proposed by the Commissioner for a second term, which will be subject to a formal confirmation hearing.

Lisa said: “I am honoured to be re-elected as Surrey’s Police and Crime Commissioner and I want to thank everyone who took the time to vote. 

“Over the last three years, I have listened to what thousands of residents in Surrey tell me they want from their police service. They want our officers doing the job only they can – investigating and solving crime and taking offenders off our streets.  

“They don’t want their police sitting in hospitals for hours on end or investigating non-crime hate incidents. They want to see our police teams taking the fight to criminals and focusing on those issues most important to them where they live.  

“The Chief Constable shares my commitment to a ‘back to basics’ approach to policing and I believe that is already starting to pay dividends for our communities. 

“In the last year alone, Surrey Police has made significant improvements in a number of areas, including achieving record performance for 999 and 101 waiting times. 

“Successful policing operations are taking place across the county to tackle shoplifting gangs, persistent offenders and drug-dealing networks, while funding secured through my office is being used to combat pockets of anti-social behaviour in communities across the county. 

“Thanks to a huge recruitment drive over the last three years, Surrey Police has more officers in its ranks than ever before, which is fantastic news for residents. 

“I will offer all the support I can to our hard-working police teams so they can continue to make strides in tackling those issues that matter most to our residents. 

“Surrey is fantastic place to live and one of the safest counties in the country. I want to keep it that way and I look forward to working with the Chief Constable to ensure tackling those issues that matter most to residents remains at the heart of policing in Surrey.” 

Chief Constable Tim De Meyer said: “Surrey Police warmly congratulates Lisa Townsend on her re-election as Police and Crime Commissioner.   

“We look forward to continuing to work with her on challenges such as tackling violence against women and girls, improving our response to calls from the public and bringing more offenders to justice.”     



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Commissioner invites residents’ questions as ‘Policing your Community’ events continue

Surrey Residents are invited to have their say on policing in their local community as our office and Surrey Police prepare to hold a new series of ‘Policing your Community’ events online this January.

An event discussing policing in each Borough and District will take place from 08–29 January 2024 and will offer residents the opportunity to put their questions the Commissioner Lisa Townsend, Chief Constable Tim De Meyer and the Borough Commander responsible for their area.

They follow events held in each area attended by over 300 people between October and December 2023.

New Chief Constable Tim De Meyer was appointed by the Commissioner in April and will talk about the current challenges and plans for Surrey Police. It is an important time for the Force, with more police officers in Surrey’s communities than ever before.

The events will also be held as the Commissioner consults residents on the amount of council tax they are willing to pay towards policing in the new financial year, that is combined with funding from central Government.

Events are free to attend but residents are urged to register their attendance by selecting the link for their local event below:

Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “Listening to the views of local people is at the heart of my role as your Police and Crime Commissioner and strengthening the relationships between Surrey Police and residents is a key part of my Police and Crime Plan for the county.

“These events will give residents an opportunity to speak to us directly about the policing issues that matter where they live, as well as hear about the progress that my office and Surrey Police are making against that Plan which is based on the priorities of the public.

“Surrey Police has put more officers than ever before on the ground and is working hard to boost the service that residents receive. I hope that residents will join us online to learn more, and to have their say in the funding for Surrey Police that is vital to continue to provide the best possible service in 2024.”

Chief Constable Tim De Meyer said: “We want to provide the best possible policing service and it is extremely important that our residents are kept up to date. These events will enable us to speak to the public about current challenges and our plans for Surrey Police and are an opportunity for you to ask questions. It would be great to see as many of you there as possible.”

Learn more about how your council tax helps to fund Surrey Police here.

Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner Ellie Vesey-Thompson and ICV Scheme Manager Erika Dallinger at the ICVA Awards in Birmingham

Custody visiting scheme receives Platinum award for impact in Surrey

The Independent Custody Visiting (ICV) Scheme overseen by Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend has been recognised nationally this month, as it attained Platinum status for the quality of its work in Surrey.

Under the scheme, volunteers from the local community make unannounced visits to Surrey Police custody to check on the rights, wellbeing, and dignity of detainees.

In the year to March, Independent Custody Visiting Volunteers (ICVs) made 172 visits and spent over 400 hours in custody suites across Surrey.

By listening to individuals in custody, they provide valuable and independent oversight of the care that is provided when an individual is detained.

By shining a spotlight on the processes, people and environments within custody, their recommendations cover everything from ensuring that there are enough blankets in winter, to safeguarding someone who is experiencing a mental health crisis.

Visits are held at all hours and the findings are reported back to the Commissioner and Surrey Police in a cycle that promotes continuous improvement.

The Independent Custody Visiting Association (ICVA) judges schemes every three years based on its quality assurance framework that assesses how well schemes comply with a Code of Practice for custody.

At an ICVA event Birmingham, Deputy Commissioner Ellie Vesey-Thompson joined Surrey’s ICV Scheme Manager Erika Dallinger as she received the Platinum award that represents the highest level of accreditation possible for schemes across England and Wales.

While ‘Gold’ standard reflects a scheme that provides an excellent standard of custody visiting and volunteer management, the ‘Platinum’ award goes further to recognise those areas where the service is ‘outstanding’.

Welcoming the award, Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “I am incredibly proud of the hard work of our Independent Custody Visitors and of my ICV Scheme Manager in Surrey.

“The Scheme is essential in providing an independent eye on an area of policing that happens ‘behind the scenes’ but can be responsible for the care of some of the most vulnerable people in our society.

“Together with custody staff, volunteers play an incredibly important part in maintaining the transparency and trust in policing that is so important to my office and Surrey Police.

“I’d like to congratulate them on this award that recognises their outstanding contribution.”

Dame Anne Owers, Chair of ICVA, said: “Independent custody visiting schemes ensure that the public have oversight of a high pressure and often hidden area of policing. These awards demonstrate how local schemes use volunteer feedback to make change and ensure that police custody is safe and dignified for all.”

Learn more about the Independent Custody Visiting Scheme at https://www.surrey-pcc.gov.uk/performance/independent-custody-visiting/

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“We need independent minds to maintain integrity in policing”: Commissioner opens recruitment for key role

SURREY residents able to uphold police to the highest standards are being urged to apply for roles as Independent Members.

The post, advertised by the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey, will see successful applicants appointed to Police Gross Misconduct Panels.

Panels are convened when police officers or staff are accused of breaching the Standards of Professional Behaviour, and can lead to dismissal from their force.

Surrey Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “Independent Members around the country support and promote public confidence by maintaining integrity in policing.

“Independent minds”

“Recent high-profile cases, including those of both Wayne Couzens and David Carrick, underline the need to instil the core values of ethics and morality in everything our offices and staff do.

“That’s why my office, as well as Commissioner’s offices in Kent, Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, are recruiting more Independent Members.

“We’re looking for local people with independent minds and keen analytical skills. They might come from the professional worlds of law, social work or another relevant area, but whatever their background is, they’ll need to be able to analyse a large amount of information and make sound, reasoned decisions.

Applications open

“We value the differences that people bring from all backgrounds and communities. As a result, we welcome applications for this crucial role from local people with a passion of promoting the highest standards in policing.”

Independent Members usually sit on three or four panels a year. They will commit to a four-year term, with the possibility of a further extension. The role requires police vetting.

Applications close at midnight on October 15.

For more information, or to download an application pack, visit surrey-pcc.gov.uk/vacancy/independent-members/

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Record police numbers and funding boost for Surrey communities – Commissioner publishes Annual Report for 2022/23 

Record funding for local services and more police officers than ever before in Surrey are among key achievements highlighted in the Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend’s Annual Report published today. 

Since April 2022, over £5m was awarded to charities and other organisations in the county that improve community safety and reduce vulnerabilities, support victims of crime and help tackle the root causes of offending.

The Commissioner also praised Surrey Police following the recruitment of 395 new police officers since 2019 – making the Force the biggest it has ever been.

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The report focuses on the progress made against each of the priorities in the Commissioner’s Police and Crime Plan that include preventing violence against women and girls, protecting people from harm, working with Surrey communities so that they feel safe and ensuring safer Surrey roads. 

Read the full Report here.

Funding from the Commissioner’s office provided more specialist advisors to support survivors of sexual violence, stalking and domestic abuse, increased help for children and young people affected by crime. Whilst over £700,000 from the Government’s Safer Streets Fund was secured for three projects to boost local safety in Sunbury Cross, Addlestone and Epsom. 
 
The year also saw the launch of new initiatives including the county’s first Community Safety Assembly bringing partners together to tackle joint issues such as anti-social behaviour and ill mental health, and landmark projects to prevent violence against women and girls. 

A first-of-its-kind Data Hub was unveiled, allowing residents to see the latest information about Surrey Police performance that the Commissioner uses to hold the Chief Constable to account, while a dedicated Youth Commission was established to enhance the voices of children and young people on police and crime matters. 

The Annual Report also looks ahead to future challenges and opportunities for policing in the county, including maintaining police officer and staff numbers, improving the service received when calling the county’s 101 non-emergency number and embracing new technology.  

Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “Since I was elected in 2021, Surrey residents have told me they want to see more police officers taking the fight to criminals in the county. I am delighted that we have now have record numbers of police officers in Surrey, together with dedicated police staff and volunteers that are giving local policing a real boost. 
 
“I have also overseen an increased scrutiny of Surrey Police performance, including supporting improvements to the service received when residents dial 101, the partnership response to anti-social behaviour and a renewed focus on ensuring we maintain the trust in policing that is so vital to protecting our communities. 

“I would like to thank everyone who has been in contact with me in the last year. I remain committed to ensuring the voice of residents remains at the heart of the conversations I have with the Chief Constable of Surrey Police and encourage anyone who is interested to subscribe to my monthly updates via my website.  

“My eternal thanks go to all those who work for Surrey Police for their tireless efforts to keep our communities safe. I would also like to thank all the volunteers, charities, and organisations we have worked with and the staff in the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for their support over the last year.” 

Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey Ellie Vesey-Thompson standing in front of the Army Training Centre in Pirbright Surrey

“We will do all we can to support our armed forces”: Commissioner and Deputy welcome Ministry of Defence employment award

SURREY’S Police and Crime Commissioner and her Deputy have reaffirmed their commitment to working with those who have served their country after achieving silver level status under the Ministry of Defence’s Employer Recognition Scheme Award.

Lisa Townsend and her Deputy, Ellie Vesey-Thompson, said they “will do all they can” to support serving and former armed forces personnel and their families.

Surrey Police, which is an armed forces-friendly organisation, has also achieved silver status as part of the scheme.

The award is given to employers who have signed the Armed Forces Covenant and demonstrated their support to defence and the armed forces community.

It acts as an assurance that forces personnel, veterans and Reservists, as well as their spouses and their children, are treated with fairness and respect.

Both the Commissioner’s Office and the Force had previously been awarded bronze status, but were upgraded to silver following their efforts. The Office was among the first of its kind in the country to sign up to the Covenant in 2017, and has become the first Commissioner’s office in the south east to attain silver status.

Lisa said: “Servicemen and women, both past and present, make an enormous contribution to our society.

“They deserve all the support we are able to offer.

“Many veterans will decide to join the police service as either officers or staff after leaving the armed forces, and that is something both Surrey Police and my Office are very proud of.

“Others may struggle as they return to civilian life. It is crucial that we support these people wherever it is possible to do so.”

Ellie, who holds responsibility for military personnel and veterans, as well as children and young people, as part of her remit, said: “Surrey has a long association with the armed forces and we are home to many military personnel and their families.

“Understanding the uniqueness of life in the armed forces community is incredibly important. Providing welcoming employment opportunities that value and utilise their vast transferable skills and life experience is key to supporting those transitioning into civilian life.

“I am also aware of the impact that a military lifestyle can have on children and young people growing up, which can include the stress of moving away from homes, schools and friends, as well as worry about their serving loved one.

Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey Ellie Vesey-Thompson standing in front of the Army Training Centre in Pirbright Surrey

“I am committed to ensuring that our team does everything it can, working alongside our partners, to support the children and families of serving and former personnel.”

Surrey is home to 13 veterans’ hubs, with the newest having recently opened in Banstead. See more information, or find your nearest Hub here.

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Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend with Chief Constable Tim De Meyer

Commissioner welcomes new Chief Constable on his first day in post

The Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend has today welcomed Tim De Meyer into his role as the new Chief Constable for Surrey Police.

The Commissioner was at the Force Headquarters in Guildford this morning to greet the incoming Chief on his first day and said she was looking forward to working closely with him in the weeks and months ahead.

Tim joined one of the policing teams in Guildford for a shift this morning before he was later officially sworn in at a brief attestation ceremony.

He was selected as the Commissioner’s preferred candidate for the post following a thorough selection process that was carried out in January. The appointment was approved by the county’s Police and Crime Panel later that same month.

Tim began his police career with the Metropolitan Police Service in 1997 and joined Thames Valley Police in 2008.

In 2012, he was promoted to Chief Superintendent for Neighbourhood Policing and Partnership before becoming Head of Professional Standards in 2014. He was promoted to Assistant Chief Constable for Crime and Criminal Justice in 2017 and moved to Local Policing in 2022.

Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “I am delighted to welcome Tim to Surrey Police and I believe he will be an inspirational and committed leader who will guide the Force into an exciting new chapter.

“Tim brings with him a wealth of experience from a varied policing career across two different forces and will no doubt provide a fresh perspective to policing in Surrey. I am really looking forward to working with him on addressing the key priorities in my Police and Crime Plan and creating a strong vision for the future of the Force.

Attestation of new Chief Constable of Surrey Police Tim De Meyer standing alongside Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey Lisa Townsend

“There is much hard work to do and it has been a difficult time for policing nationally. But I know Tim has been raring to get going and is relishing the challenges that lie ahead.

“I know Tim shares my passion in making Surrey the safest place it can be for our residents so I look forward to supporting him in tackling those issues which matter most to our local communities.”

Chief Constable Tim De Meyer said: “It is an honour to become the Chief Constable of Surrey Police. This position carries great responsibility and it is my privilege to serve Surrey’s communities alongside our Force’s excellent officers, staff, and volunteers.  

“I am grateful to everyone for making me feel so welcome and we will continue to work hard together to fight crime and protect the public.

“I look forward to working with the Police and Crime Commissioner and with our many partners to ensure that Surrey remains a safe county.”

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Frontline policing protected as Commissioner’s budget proposal agreed

The Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend said frontline policing across Surrey will be protected over the coming year after her proposed council tax rise was agreed earlier today.

The Commissioner’s suggested increase of just over 5% for the policing element of the council tax will go ahead after members of the county’s Police and Crime Panel voted to support her proposal during a meeting at Woodhatch Place in Reigate this morning.

The overall budget plans for Surrey Police were outlined to the Panel today including the level of council tax raised for policing in the county, known as the precept, which funds the Force together with a grant from central government.

The Commissioner said policing is facing significant financial challenges and the Chief Constable had been clear that without a precept increase, the Force would have to make cuts which would ultimately affect the service to Surrey residents.

However today’s decision will mean Surrey Police can continue to protect frontline services, enabling policing teams to tackle those issues important to the public and take the fight to criminals in our communities.

The policing element of an average Band D Council Tax bill will now be set at £310.57– an increase of £15 a year or £1.25 a month. It equates to around a 5.07% increase across all council tax bands.

For every pound of the precept level set, Surrey Police is funded by an extra half a million pounds. The Commissioner has said the council tax contributions make a huge difference to the service our hard-working officers and staff provide to the county and thanked residents for their ongoing support.

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The Commissioner’s office carried out a public consultation throughout December and early January in which over 3,100 respondents answered a survey with their views.

Residents were given three options – whether they would be prepared to pay the suggested £15 extra a year on their council tax bill, a figure between £10 and £15 or a figure lower than £10.

Around 57% of respondents said they would support the £15 increase, 12% voted for a figure between £10 and £15 and the remaining 31% said they would be willing to pay a lower figure.

Those who responded to the survey pinpointed burglary, anti-social behaviour and preventing neighbourhood crime as the three areas of policing they would most like to see Surrey Police focus on over the coming year.

The Commissioner said that even with the precept increase this year, Surrey Police will still need to find £17m of savings over the next four years – in addition to the £80m that has already been taken out over the last decade.

“450 extra officers and operational policing staff will have been recruited into the Force since 2019”

Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “Asking the public for more money this year has been an incredibly difficult decision and I have thought long and hard about the precept proposal that I put before the Police and Crime Panel today.

“I am all too aware the cost of living crisis is putting a huge squeeze on everyone’s finances. But the harsh reality is that policing is also being seriously impacted by the current financial climate too.

“There is huge pressure on pay, energy and fuel costs and the stark rise in inflation means the Surrey Police budget is under considerable strain like never before.

“When I was elected as Commissioner in 2021, I committed to put as many police officers on our streets as possible and since I have been in post, the public have told me loud and clear that is what they want to see.

“Surrey Police is currently on track to recruit the extra 98 police officers which is Surrey’s share this year of the government’s national uplift programme which I know residents are eager to see out in our communities.

“That will mean over 450 extra officers and operational policing staff will have been recruited into the Force since 2019 which I believe will make Surrey Police the strongest it has been in a generation.

“A huge amount of hard work has gone into recruiting those extra numbers but in order to maintain these levels, it is crucial that we give them the right support, training and development.

“This will mean we can get more of them out and about in our communities as soon as we can keeping people safe during these difficult times.

“I would like to thank everyone who took the time to fill in our survey and give us their opinions on policing in Surrey. Over 3,000 people took part and once again showed their support for our policing teams with 57% backing the full £15 a year increase.

“We also received over 1,600 comments on a range of topics which will help inform the conversations my office has with the Force on what is important to our residents.

“Surrey Police are making progress in those areas that matter to our communities. The number of burglaries being solved is on the increase, a huge focus has been put into making our communities safer for women and girls and Surrey Police received an outstanding rating from our inspectors on preventing crime.

“But we want to do even better. In the last few weeks I have recruited Surrey’s new Chief Constable Tim De Meyer and I am determined to give him the right resources he needs so we can provide the Surrey public with the best service possible to our communities.”

Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend and Chief Constable Tim De Meyer

New Chief Constable set to join Surrey Police following unanimous approval for Commissioner’s preferred candidate

The new Chief Constable of Surrey Police has been confirmed as Tim De Meyer following a meeting of the county’s Police and Crime Panel yesterday.

Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend’s proposed appointment of Tim was approved by the Panel after a confirmation hearing which took place at the Surrey County Council offices in Woodhatch Place on Tuesday morning.

The Commissioner had previously declared that Tim, who is currently an Assistant Chief Constable (ACC) with Thames Valley Police, was her preferred candidate for the post following a selection process carried out earlier this month.

Tim began his police career with the Metropolitan Police Service in 1997 and joined Thames Valley Police in 2008.

In 2012, he was promoted to Chief Superintendent for Neighbourhood Policing and Partnership before becoming Head of Professional Standards in 2014. He was promoted to Assistant Chief Constable for Crime and Criminal Justice in 2017 and moved to Local Policing in 2022.

He is due to replace the outgoing Chief Constable Gavin Stephens who is set to depart Surrey Police in April this year after successfully being elected as the next head of the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC).

Tim’s suitability for the role was tested during a thorough assessment day which included questioning from some of Surrey Police’s key stakeholders and being interviewed by an appointments panel chaired by the Commissioner.

Commissioner Lisa Townsend said: “I am absolutely delighted the Panel have confirmed my appointment of Tim De Meyer and I would like to whole-heartedly congratulate him on securing the role of Chief Constable for this county.

New Chief Constable

“Tim was the outstanding candidate in a strong field during the interview process.

“His vision for forging an exciting future for policing in Surrey shone through at the meeting yesterday.

“I believe he will bring a wealth of experience from a varied policing career across two different forces and the Force will be in great hands with him at the helm.

“I was really impressed with the energy, passion and commitment he showed both on Tuesday and during the selection process, which I am confident will make him an inspirational and exceptional leader for the Force.

“I know he is really looking forward to the challenge and working with our policing teams, partners and residents in continuing to make Surrey one of the safest counties in the country for our communities.”

‘Exceptional leader’

ACC Tim De Meyer said: “It will be a privilege to be the Chief Constable of Surrey Police and I cannot wait to get started in April.

“I shall inherit the leadership of excellent officers, staff and volunteers, whose commitment to policing is plain to see.  It will be wonderful to work with them to serve the people of Surrey.

“This is a fantastic opportunity for me and I must thank the Policing and Crime Commissioner and the Police and Crime Panel for putting their trust in me to lead Surrey Police into its next chapter.

“I am determined to repay this trust by taking my responsibility to build on the strong foundations already in place. 

“By working together with our partners and the public, Surrey Police will rise to the crime-fighting challenges ahead and continue to earn the trust and confidence of all our communities.”

Last chance for Surrey residents to share their views in Commissioner’s council tax survey

IT’S the last chance to have your say on how much you’d be prepared to pay to support policing teams in the county.

Police and Crime Commissioner Lisa Townsend’s survey on council tax levels for 2023/24 ends this Monday, January 16. The poll is available via smartsurvey.co.uk/s/counciltax2023/

Lisa is asking residents if they’d support a small increase of up to £1.25 a month in their council tax so policing levels can be sustained in Surrey.

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Thousands of people have already shared their views on one of three options – an extra £15 a year on an average council tax bill, which will help Surrey Police maintain its current position and aim to improve services in the future, between £10 and £15 extra a year, which will allow the Force to keep its head above water, or less than £10, which would likely mean a reduction in service to communities.

Setting the overall budget for the Force is one of Lisa’s key responsibilities. This includes determining the level of council tax specifically raised for policing in the county, which is known as the precept.

Police forces around the country are funded by both the precept and a grant from central government.

‘Strong response’

Lisa said: “We’ve had a strong response to the survey, but it’s incredibly important to me that as many Surrey residents as possible get to have their say.

“If you haven’t yet had a chance to respond, please do – it will take just a minute or two to do.

“This year, Home Office funding is based on the expectation that Commissioners like me will increase the precept by £15 a year.

“I know how stretched households are this year, and I thought long and hard before launching my survey.

“However, the Chief Constable for Surrey has been clear that the Force needs additional funding just to maintain its position. I don’t want to risk taking a step backwards when it comes to the service our county expects and deserves.”